 | | | Chimera image explanation post lost TWICE! | Chimera image explanation post lost TWICE! 2006-06-20 - By steven_mcq
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Something about that post the NSA doesn't like. Twits.
Even copy/pasted quickly, no hang time.
I put it in my file folder at this group and sent an alert message
with link. The alert showed up on the list and the link works.
Go figure.
SMcQ
--- In Carrara@(protected), "steve" <Steve@(protected)> wrote:
>
> I agree in the long run, the one place you really have to watch out for
> this is on Rocity, if you go beyond their server page "time-out" limit
> when you do a message there and hit send without copying the message
> first, you'll lose it entirely and stare with a feeling of blank
> stupidity at your monitor. At least here, you could go to your sent box
> and copy the message and resend it..
> It's happened to me several times and I always kick myself when I try to
> post long messages there. :|
>
> __ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
>
> From: Carrara@(protected) [mailto:Carrara@(protected)] On Behalf
> Of steven_mcq
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 2:44 PM
> To: Carrara@(protected)
> Subject: [Carrara] Re: assessing interest in 3D scientific illustration
>
>
>
> yep, must have been lost, as this later post showed up immediately.
> Took a long time to write. Yahoo groups technology really stinks,
> folks, we are well rid of it.
>
> SMcQ
>
> --- In Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "steven_mcq" <smcquinn@> wrote:
> >
> > Andi,
> >
> > I responded to your compliment with a longer message than this,
> > explaining what the images show, but the post is not showing up on the
> > list. Will write a new one if it has been lost.
> >
> > Yahoo takes too long with posts, and it sometimes loses them
> > completely. Will be glad to leave it behind.
> >
> > SMcQ
> >
> > --- In Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "Andi Newton" <andimn@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Those are pretty neat. I have no idea what I'm looking at, of
> > course, but they do look cool!
> > >
> > > Andi
> > >
> > > Search the Web and Help Save Homeless Pets!
> > > www.arfpnc.com/arfpgoodsearch.htm
> > >
> > >
> > > -- -- Original Message -- --
> > > From: steven_mcq
> > > To: Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 7:08 PM
> > > Subject: [Carrara] Re: assessing interest in 3D scientific
> > illustration
> > >
> > >
> > > Chimera, from the University of California, San Francisco (the
> medical
> > > campus). Free for noncommercial use.
> > >
> > > http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/ <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/>
> > >
> > > It exports to x3d, and there are ways to convert that to vrml.
> > >
> > > Here's something I did entirely within Chimera:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/ImageGallery/entries/phageT4/phageT4.htm
> l
> <http://www.cgl.ucsf.edu/chimera/ImageGallery/entries/phageT4/phageT4.ht
> ml>
> > >
> > > SMcQ
> > >
> > > --- In Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> "steve" <Steve@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks, I do have an interest in this.
> > > >
> > > > Do you know of any free viewers left out there or anything worth
> > looking
> > > > in to?
> > > >
> > > > TIA
> > > >
> > > > Steven
> > > >
> > > > __ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____ ____
> > > >
> > > > From: Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> > On Behalf
> > > > Of steven_mcq
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 4:46 PM
> > > > To: Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: [Carrara] Re: assessing interest in 3D scientific
> > illustration
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > What distinguishes the PDB format is that it is not a geometry
> > format
> > > > per se (it does not include mesh information); rather, it is a
> text
> > > > file specifying atom type, location and bonds between atoms.
> You can
> > > > readily see how it is organized by opening it in notepad.
> > > >
> > > > If you want to examine a few, go here:
> > > > http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/Welcome.do
> <http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/Welcome.do>
> > <http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/Welcome.do
> <http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/Welcome.do> >
> > > >
> > > > The PDB readers supply what amount to primitives in order to
> > visualize
> > > > the information. There are some defacto standards for symbolic
> > > > representation.
> > > >
> > > > An export from a program like Acelrys viewer lite (no longer a
> free
> > > > download, last I looked, but I grabbed it some years ago) will
> > export
> > > > the geometry it creates to visualize the file, but as I said,
> > there is
> > > > no mesh geometry in the PDB file itself.
> > > >
> > > > This is why I am asking for a PDB importer to Carrara that creates
> > > > instances, using cloned primitives corresponding to the chosen
> > type of
> > > > molecular representation.
> > > >
> > > > I think a PDB importer would create a new market, a "build it
> > and they
> > > > will come" proposition. Assumptions that science illustrators
> > use only
> > > > high end programs are self fulfilling.
> > > >
> > > > SMcQ (lurking till the lights go out)
> > > >
> > > > --- In Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com> , "MD"
> > > > <mike_delaflor@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Steve,
> > > > >
> > > > > PDB stands for Protein Data Bank, it is the proprietary data
> > format
> > > > > of the Brookhaven Nation Laboratories in New Jersey, now
> known as
> > > > > the Research Collaboratory for Structural Bioinformatics (or
> > RCSB).
> > > > >
> > > > > The PDB format was origianally desgined for programs such as,
> > > > > RasMol, ChemOffice, and Chyme which are molecular visualization
> > > > > programs used by the reasearch community. PDB was never really
> > > > > intended for use in the artist community. However, as we all
> know
> > > > > with the demand for medical visualization and education
> > multimedia
> > > > > artists have had to "make do" with the PDB file format.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I said, popular programs in the scientific and medical
> > > > > illustration community such as, 3ds max and Maya have
> > addressed the
> > > > > issue with plug-ins that import the PDB data easily, so it is
> > really
> > > > > non-issue at this point. As Carrara becomes better known for
> its
> > > > > improved features, I am sure the demand for the same PDB
> > import will
> > > > > increase.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mike de la Flor
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Carrara@(protected)
> <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com> ,
> > > > "Steve" <Steve@> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Mike,
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why is PDB the standard format to begin with?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I did a little search on it out of curiosity when the
> topic was
> > > > > originally
> > > > > > posted, but I guess I'm not sure
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why they'd use something so seemingly far out of the norm,
> > or if
> > > > > it just is
> > > > > > the norm in medical land.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > TIA
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steven
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > __ __
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: Carrara@(protected)
> <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
> <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > [mailto:Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com> ] On
> > > > > Behalf Of
> > > > > > MD
> > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:36 PM
> > > > > > To: Carrara@(protected) <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
>
> <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > > Subject: [Carrara] Re: assessing interest in 3D scientific
> > > > > illustration
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As a practicing medical illustrator, I have to work with PDB
> > data
> > > > > > regularly. The "easiest" way to get PDB data into Carrara
> is to
> > > > > use
> > > > > > Accelrys Viewer Pro (or even the free lite version) to
> > translate
> > > > > the
> > > > > > data from PDB to wrl. However, the results are often less
> than
> > > > > > desirable as vrml or wrl files are sometimes imported into
> > Carrara
> > > > > > with texture or mesh problems or a restrictively massive
> (large
> > > > > file
> > > > > > size).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I find that I have to use 3ds max to get the results that I
> > want.
> > > > > 3ds
> > > > > > max and Maya (which I dont use) now have plug-ins that
> > import PDB
> > > > > data
> > > > > > right into the software.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be nice if Carrara had a similar plug-in also.
> > However, I
> > > > > > have also found that medical illustrators don't usually use
> > > > > Carrara,
> > > > > > 3ds max and Maya (also to some degree Lightwave and
> > Cinema4D) are
> > > > > the
> > > > > > standards. I think that maybe the reason that there is no
> real
> > > > > demand
> > > > > > to have these features in Carrara.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike de la Flor
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Carrara@(protected)
> > <mailto:Carrara%40yahoogroups.com> .com,
> > > > > > "steven_mcq" <smcquinn@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I've long made the case to Eovia and plugin developers for
> > > > > features
> > > > > > > that would benefit science illustrators.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Recently we've seen interest on the list regarding PDB
> > (Protein
> > > > > > > Database) import, and I've pleaded for adaptation of the
> > metaball
> > > > > > > modeler to show isosurfaces from electron density data.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you are interested in using Eovia/DAZ software and
> > content for
> > > > > > > science illustration, what offerings would you like to see?
> > > > > > >
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